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    2 years ago

    A good percentage of waitpersons in the country are working below minimim wage so there is precedent for this type of carve-out to labor laws. Prisons are chock full of exploited workers with no labor rights. If the intellectually challenged are to be treated equally then they should have every right to be grossly exploited like the rest of them.

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        2 years ago

        If you are okay with waitstaff and prisoners being underpaid then you will be okay with others suffering the same fate.

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          What the hell are you talking about? I’m in favor of everyone getting access to livable wages, do you not understand that? And why on earth would you think being grossly exploited is a “right”? I urge you to look into what rights are because my god, you’re so embarrassingly lost and worse, so confidently wrong.

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            So, you refuse to enter restaurants that do not pay their staff a living wage? If you do go to restaurants, then you believe that less than minimum wage is acceptable “in some cases” and are being hypocritical. If you accept goods and services created with prison labor then you accept wage exception and are being hypocritical. As a society, if we accept one exception, then we accept all exceptions. https://blog.globaltel.com/companies-use-prison-labor/

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              2 years ago

              So, you refuse to enter restaurants that do not pay their staff a living wage

              Yes, I do. I haven’t been to a restaurant in years and if I’m in a pool of people buying something like pizza, I tip 25% cash even though I’m broke as fuck. I intentionally avoiding buying non-essential consumables specifically because I don’t want to use what little money I have to support exploitation. It’s a huge reason why I strongly believe in buying products that will last as long as possible-- to avoid having to re-buy and re-support capitalism.

              What about my comments lead you to believe I accept goods and services created with prison labor? What you’re saying makes zero sense-- you just keep putting words in my mouth and then being like "BUWHADDABOUT THAT HUH?! HUH?!"

              Seeing that I’ve answered your question, why haven’t you been able to answer my question? Why do you think being grossly exploited is a "right"? Use your brain-- playing devil’s advocate and being a contrarian is only useful if you raise valid points, not if you misunderstand basic definitions like what a right is and isn’t.

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                If you go to McDonalds or Starbucks, you are using goods created with prison labor.

                Not doing something because you are dead as broke is not a principle. One person leaving a large tip is still playing into a system designed to exploit workers, mostly women.

                If you leave the door open to allow one group to be disadvantaged, you leave it open for all.

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    I completely agree that they should be paid equally.

    I also have to say that when my sister was working for goodwill industries she was the happiest and most well adjusted that she ever was while living at home.

    Goodwill was definitely underpaying her since they’re famous for it. But at the same time they were providing the optimal working environment that she needed. The supervisors were all trained to mediate all of the myriad behavioral and social difficulties that came with her intellectual disability, including when she straight up started cussing out her coworkers on several occasions.

    The cussing out her coworkers by the way, meant she was doing pretty damn good. I usually didn’t get that much warning as a kid. She used to just start hitting and throwing things in our house. I spent my childhood getting glass thrown at me by her. She gave me a permanent back injury as a child.

    And they employed her successfully for years. She liked going there. She had friends there. She would talk about what they had her do that day and the skills she used and how she had to think to get those tasks done. Then with the (admittedly miniscule) money she made she was able to pay for a care aid to come and take her to the movies every Friday instead of. Y’know. HITTING US AND THROWING THINGS AT US. And when she was at home she was much calmer and more self-confident in a way that didn’t involve hitting people.

    So something about the current system certainly needs to change significantly. It’s 100% not right and I hate thinking about the fact that they literally devalue human beings.

    And a company that does all that gave me a sister that didn’t beat me twice a month for about two years.

    I have some very confusing feelings about that.

    There needs to be some kind of public service that provides that for people like my sister. I will fully admit that capitalism is not doing it in a humane way.