Fair enough. I don’t use Discord so I’m not sure but my understanding is that it’s free to use. So how do they fund it? I presume by collecting user data to target advertising or to be sold to 3rd parties.

My point here being that collecting data to figure out the user’s age and gender isn’t particularly uncommon.

No, the other user is claiming that they don’t have a “working” full self driving but is being vague about what they mean by “working”.

Full Self Driving is just the name of the software. There’s also autopilot but that’s different. The end goal of it is to eventually be capable of level 5 self driving so that’s why it’s named like that even though it has been a work in progress all of it’s existence. Wouldn’t make much sense to call it “partial self driving under supervision” because Full Self Driving is a better marketing term. Misleading? Well yeah perhaps but that’s what marketing teams do. Nothing new there. Not a single Tesla owner is under the illusion that you can just enable the system and take a nap. Doesn’t mean people don’t do that but they know that they shouldn’t. The system tells you that every single time you enable it.

Personally I don’t see a huge issue with that name. It’s level 2 meaning that it needs driver supervision and it’s by no means flawless but it does what the name implies: drives itself. It’s not just an advanced cruise control like for example the Mercedes Drive Pilot but it is actually capable of independently driving itself and especially with the V12 it’s actually getting quite good at it.

Would be quite surprising if there was an ads-based platform that doesn’t do that. Age and gender are among the most relevant things when targeting ads.

Probably similar to why you can make the turn indicator make fart noises or have the car “dance” by flashing lights and opening doors and such. The hardware is there so why not. Utterly pointless features but atleast it’s something the competition isn’t doing I guess.

Tho I must admit that it was quite funny when I once heard a guy lock the doors on his Tesla and instead of the generick “click click” it said “quack” instead.

Jesus christ dude. There’s quote from the author himself, Walter Isaacson who is the person from whose book the whole claim originated from.

To clarify on the Starlink issue: the Ukrainians THOUGHT coverage was enabled all the way to Crimea, but it was not. They asked Musk to enable it for their drone sub attack on the Russian fleet. Musk did not enable it, because he thought, probably correctly, that would cause a major war.

You believe him when the narrative suits you but you don’t when it doesn’t. Talk about cognitive dissonance lol

Enabling Starlink in Crimea would have been against the sanctions to Russia by the US. Literally illegal.

Anyway I’m done with you. Don’t bother replying.

if Musk sabotaged Ukraine access again

Misinformation

That’s not how FSD works. It’s a neural net trained on millions of hours of video content of good human driving. Nowhere in the code is even specified what a bicycle is.

Yeah I have no idea what you’re trying to tell me. You’re not going to buy a Tesla because they lied about FSD a decade earlier? Ok. Good for you?

Another thing about TikTok that I don’t get is all the useless crap laid over the video. Seems extremely distracting to me.

I’m a bit surprised about how quickly I got tired of seeing AI content (mostly porn and non-nudes) Somehow it all just looks the same. You’d think that being AI generated would give you infinite variety but apparently not.

Are you misleading on purpose?

The level 3 driving is available only on a handful of highways between LA, SF and LV and even then only in ideal weather and traffic conditions.

Stated clearly in the very next sentence.

This comparison shows that Tesla FSD in reality is merely a drive assist.

Always has been. That video compares drive assist to another. Apples to apples comparison. What exactly is the issue here?

I thought the consensus was that Tesla is far behind, hence why Mercedes is the first brand to actually have some basic level 3 automomus driving actually to customers

Yeah that seems to be the consensus but I have no idea what it’s based on. When the Mercedes system is put against FSD it looks like this. The level 3 driving is available only on a handful of highways between LA, SF and LV and even then only in ideal weather and traffic conditions.

If the competition really is ahead then where are all the videos of their vehicles doing what FSD does? There are countless accounts on YouTube demonstrating the capabilities of FSD driving both on highways and in cities but nothing about these other brands.

…and I don’t see anyone claiming it to be “working” as in it being safe enough to not need supervision.

The whole thread is about Musk claiming in 2019 that Tesla has FSD working NOW

From the article:

(1) representations that Tesla vehicles have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability and, (2) representations that a Tesla car would be able to drive itself cross-country in the coming year.

So not only are you clearly emotionally invested here but you’re also being dishonest about the claims that have been made. I don’t think there’s any reason to go further with this.

I don’t see anyone claiming they have “working full self driving”. That’s a strawman argument. Their system is really good and years ahead of competition but there’s still a shit ton to improve. That’s why it’s classified as level 2 and not level 3. It’s a vehicle capable of driving itself under supervision but it’s not a self driving vehicle.

I’ve seen videos with FSD creating numerous dangerous situations on a single trip

In the past few months? Because the current software version is completely different than what it used to be. They’ve moved entirely from human code to neural nets and it made a giant improvement in its performance.

I think FSD is further along than you think it is.

This is the issue with all these debates currently. The people arguing against FSD are totally unaware of how far it has come since just a few months ago. They have already made up their minds based on how much it sucked a year ago and they’re under the illusion that it’s at best just marginally better today. I love watching the YouTube channel CYBRLFT and seeing people’s minds getting blown in real time when they realize that what they’ve heard on the news and on social media is so far from the reality.

Is it perfect? No. Is it unbelieveably good? Yes.

It can do that now. Probably not with zero driver interventions especially when talking about a trip across the country but Tesla is the only vehicle manufacturer today that offers this capability. There’s a dude on YouTube doing ridesharing with Tesla using FSD and with the latest software version it completes 90% of the trips from the pickup to the destination without intervention from the driver.

I don’t know what this has to do with what I said. It’s long overdue, yes. It was false advertising, yes. It’s incredibly good nowdays, yes. Several things can be true at the same time.

The link you didn’t open has a video comparing Tesla and Mercedes driving the exact same route on autopilot.

That taxi might just aswell belong to a a private individual who instead of leaving their car at the company parking lot for the whole day sent it doing ridesharing.