No, the other user is claiming that they don’t have a “working” full self driving but is being vague about what they mean by “working”.

I don’t think the other commenter is being is vague at all. “Full self driving” quite literally means Level 5, maybe level 4. That’s just what those words mean. There’s no argument here.

Full Self Driving is just the name of the software

Yes, which is the problem.

The end goal of it is to eventually be capable of level 5 self driving so that’s why it’s named like that even though it has been a work in progress all of it’s existence.

Which is exactly why calling it “full self driving” now doesn’t make any sense. It’s false advertising at best, and a super dangerous overpromise at worst.

Wouldn’t make much sense to call it “partial self driving under supervision” because Full Self Driving is a better marketing term.

Of course it’s a “better marketing term”, because “full self driving” is the pinnacle of self driving tech, what Tesla and everyone else in the race is trying to achieve. The problem is that what they have is not full self driving, and in fact whether it can ever be achieved with current Tesla hardware is far from proven. I’m not confused as to why they call it that, I’m arguing the point that they shouldn’t call it that.

Misleading? Well yeah perhaps but that’s what marketing teams do. Nothing new there.

Not at all. This is not typically what marketing teams do at all. It’s pretty damn unusual for a major corporation to sell a product under the technical term for what it may be at some point. Or do you have any other examples of this?

Not a single Tesla owner is under the illusion that you can just enable the system and take a nap.

Maybe not, but do you really think no-one bought a Tesla based on Elon’s promise that it’d be fully self driving by 2019? Or that you could monetize it by having it run as a robotaxi at night by 2020?

Doesn’t mean people don’t do that but they know that they shouldn’t.

Tesla and Musk not constantly overpromising and misrepresenting their product with false confidence might help with preventing people from placing undue trust in the system.

Personally I don’t see a huge issue with that name. It’s level 2

As you say, it’s level 2. “Full self driving” is level 5. You still don’t see the problem with the name?

it does what the name implies: drives itself

It quite literally does not drive itself given that a driver needs to be around and alert to take over at any moment.

It’s monetized through server boosts (upgrading a community to have premium features) and premium accounts that give users additional perks and features.

Wait, so in your mind products need to have “working” in their name in order to be held to the standard of … working? I don’t understand what you’re trying to argue at all. They’re calling and selling this product as “full self driving”. It’s not full self driving. It doesn’t need to be called “working full self driving” in order for it to be misleading.

It’s been a pretty common practice for online companies for years. There are SaaS providers that offer APIs just for this purpose. At my previous job we implemented something like this too; making a rough guess at the gender of users based on just their name and some additional information. The only reason we did that is because we didn’t want to ask people for their gender when they registered, but we still needed a rough split for investor reporting and high level marketing strategy decisions.

I assume Discord would do this for similar reasons.

Pretty funny that it took that long. Expertly executed rebrand.

I don’t see anyone claiming they have “working full self driving”

… They’re literally calling it “Full self driving”.

Wait, what does this have to do with outsourcing abroad?

I think this is a horrible idea but just because I know many of y’all only read the headline: the proposal is NOT for a “database” in the sense that the federal government is going to start directly keeping track of pregnancies. Rather, it’s for a website where you can find motherhood-related information and a “database” of service providers. The “tracking” part is apparently that you can register on this website, and the gov reserves the right to then keep this (voluntarily surrendered) personal data to “reach out” to moms and “help” them.

Of course none of this would offer any info on abortion. Because this is coming from Alabama.

I’m really close to getting a new iPad but this ad actually made me want it a lot less. It made me consider whether I actually need another piece of tech in my life. Thanks Apple for saving me a thousand bucks haha

Idk. I guess I’m not offended, the ad just made me sad haha. I definitely understand that some creative professionals would be offended by the implication that a goddamn iPad could somehow replace a trumpet or a piano or literally any of those things shown in the ad. It’s definitely lacking taste.