• Daft_ish@lemmy.world
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        I’m confused. The protests worked, right?

        Could there be an entire election on the line here with the possibility of all this back firing?

        Or are we just going to get ourselves more worked up?

        And let’s be clear. Joe didn’t move the goal post, he ran right through the one Palestine supporters had erected.

        (I’m not good at sports ball)

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          8 months ago

          Has the genocide of Palestinians stopped?

          I will vote for Biden when he genuinely stops the genocide, until that point I really don’t care what silly political posturing and shuffling around of bombs in warehouses and on logistics sheets Biden does. Even if we stop providing weapons right now of any kind, the entire apparatus of the IDF and indeed Israel itself is dependent on the US military industrial complex, the fact that Biden has not used that leverage to stop this genocide of Palestinians means he is complicit.

          Genocide is my red line, and if Biden is going to be windy washy about coming back over that red line don’t blame people like me for not being satisfied.

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            It’s possible to be right about something (your take on the US complicity in Israel’s genocide") but also be completely wrong about how to stop it and the consequences of your response.

            Because if you want the killing to stop sitting out an election or refusing to vote for Biden is not going to work out for you. You will be complicit in the killing of women, transgender people, brown people and more. Because - and I really don’t think I’m being hyperbolic here - those are the consequences of a Trump administration.

            Far far worse is the simple fact that our chances of stopping Israel’s genocide go to zero under Trump. You think a Republican administration will stop it if you protest? At least with Biden you know it works and you know you can make a dent.

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              Far far worse is the simple fact that our chances of stopping Israel’s genocide go to zero under Trump. You think a Republican administration will stop it if you protest? At least with Biden you know it works and you know you can make a dent.

              Why are you lecturing me about this? Stop wasting your breath on me.

              It is very simple, if Biden wants my vote and votes from people like me, he can stop the genocide in Palestine.

              Period.

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                8 months ago

                Why are you lecturing me about this? Stop wasting your breath on me.

                You have a peculiar conception of “lecturing”.

                But do you want me to stop saying these things because you are immune to reason? You cannot possibly change your mind, no matter the argument or facts presented? No matter that Biden is himself simply does not have the power to unilaterally stop Israel’s actions?

                I do have one simple question for you: What about the genocide that will happen under Trump? Do you prefer that? Do you prefer the murder of women, transgender people, gays and brown people over Palestinians?

                Because the choice is incredibly binary: Less killing under Biden or more killing under Trump.

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                  8 months ago

                  No matter that Biden is himself simply does not have the power to unilaterally stop Israel’s actions?

                  He literally does, Israel cannot function as a state without an immense amount of US diplomatic cover, weapons, and fucktons of money.

                  Biden can stop it right this genocide in a matter of minutes by calling up Netanyahu and telling him it is over, full stop. I am sorry but I will not vote for a candidate that behaves this way.

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                    Netanyahu just told Biden to take a hike. Thus, “full stop” disproving what you have said.

                    I am sorry but I will not vote for a candidate that behaves this way.

                    So you vote for genocide, just domestically.