edit: having a community dedicated to letists only can be a bad idea in that it can make sure your beliefs are not questioned. I have thought myself as a socialist and I have thought myself as a anarcho-capitalist, I don’t believe in either anymore. I think if radical views go unchecked they might cause problems. Although I am a capitalist now, being confronted by socialists has made me aware of capitalisms deep flaws. When I considered myself a communist (17 year old me) I thought opposing views really changed my mind. So that’s the ideologically diversity I am talking about.
I love the outlook of lemmy, I think the design is decent and simplistic. But one thing I can’t seem to get over is the fact that almost everyone here seem to think the same politically. Why do you guys think this is?? I know this is a community of leftists foss enthusiasts but I hope everyone here is aware that it is driving many people away from adapting it.
Just tell me why lemmy.ml should necessarily be ideologically diverse? To be in permanent chaos and useless fights? I think there is already plenty of such platforms…
Yeah just move to twitter if you want permanent fighting
You might be right, I do understand your point. Healthy disagreement is not alive anymore. But I think having a community dedicated to letists only can be a bad idea in that it can make sure your beliefs are not questioned. I have thought myself as a socialist and I have thought myself as a anarcho-capitalist, I don’t believe in either anymore. I think if radical views go unchecked they might cause problems.
You’re missing an essential part: Marxists are the only ones who can view society in a scientific light. It’s like being frustrated that everyone on a community knows so much about a topic, it doesn’t really make sense to be frustrated about. What, when you say something dumb are people too happy and fast to correct you? If you want to feel smart start interacting with YouTube comments, if you want to learn then maybe understand what the actual diverse viewpoints here understand about the world.
better to learn than simply believe ;-)
are you still arguing here it has been months
A community of leftist privacy and FOSS enthusiasts, run by Lemmy’s developers
I know you already mentioned this, but… should an online car community be concerned about the lack of cyclists on their forum?
love the outlook of lemmy, I think the design is decent and simplistic. But one thing I can’t seem to get over is the fact that almost everyone here seem to think the same politically. Why do you guys think this is?? I know this is a community of leftists foss enthusiasts but I hope everyone here is aware that it is driving many people away from adapting it.
Hehe… good one. I understand that. But don’t you think it would be a better place of some people from the right joined in here
Holy shit no, Jesus Christ, I like this place because I don’t get called slurs. How could you possibly think that’s even worth saying?
It is mostly communist, and that is very good
and as an anti-communist, I might have different views
And so we do not care. Orwell was a fascist, and we all know what that means.
Why would you consider yourself anti-communist? If you mean you’re against absolute raw State power ruining our lives (like in the USSR) i very much agree, but communism can exist without coercion and State power. In fact, i would argue there was no Communism under the USSR and communism (stateless, classless society) is still a worthy goal.
Oh, you’re a capitalist? Show me your vast swaths of capital then
Do you have a warrant? :')
You have a lot of options. Reddit, Twitter, (far-)right Lemmy instances like bakchodi.org and wolfballs.
When I considered myself a communist (17 year old me) I thought opposing views really changed my mind.
When I was a 17 year old I was a complete pro USA centre-rightist that believed in heavily conservative Republican/Taliban views of women and who took pride in eating the new McDonalds burger on the menu. I believed in having a nice Instagram profile (which I never worked on) and believed Reddit was the frontpage encyclopedia of internet. I believed in a load of horseshit things like capitalism is a great thing for the world. Turns out, I am no longer 17, and we all change. Now I am a privacy advocate who also advocates critical thinking, attempts to bust lies wherever possible, and am far-left leaning, because I see the duopoly of liberal centrism and rightwing in a capitalist framework as the true cause of society’s exploitation and downfall.
I don’t want more right wingers to join because I don’t think they have much useful things to say (I think this as a former right winger) but I do think there is diversity beyond the left and right spectrum that would help lemmy some.
There’s not a lot of women here. There’s not much stuff related to hobbies outside of tech. Politics is heavily driven by the ML context of the broader lemmy community. I’d love to see some discussions of social democratic policy stuff, not because I think it’s better but because there’s only so many times you can listen to people rehash Das kapital in the comments. What about some MMT stuff? What about liquid democracy or people experimenting with holocracy etc?
I think there’s more women on the lemmygrad instance, at least in my experience.
Politics is heavily driven by the ML context of the broader lemmy community Well that would make sense, a lot of the crackdowns on reddit have been happening on ML subs since the broader online left tends to be hostile towards us.
Ultimately, Lemmy is a Reddit clone and one problem with Reddit-like platforms is the upvote/downvote system heavily promotes groupthink since dissenting opinions are downvoted into oblivion while consensus opinions are promoted. Lemmy attempts to solve this problem by being open source, self-hostable, and federated (which are all great things), but these aspects alone can’t totally solve the inherent groupthink problem, it just makes it easier for those with differing views to spin off and start their own instances, which will likely have their own groupthink.
As politically centrist myself, I’ve basically just unsubscribed from the political communities and focus on the more tech-related ones. If an apolitical or more centrist political Lemmy instance which federated with lemmy.ml was started there’s a good chance I’d join.
Same. I thought to myself there are better things than politics to focus on. But yes, groupthink is a problem with such platforms.
very diverse… got communist, anarchist, but everyone speak english
also, this has been broufht up b4 and is getting a rather dull
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You don’t solve a problem by ignoring it.
everyone being a communist or anarchist is not a problem
I see everyone being a communist as perfect K.O. victory.
Being in a bubble is a problem. It’s how you get things like QAnon. It’s also how you get extremely out of touch with the rest of society.
You mean when you have “leftists” doing free-labor propaganda for one of the wealthiest imperialist leaders on Earth (Putin)? :D
i don’t really like this bubble theory. It’s important to have a comfort zone where you can express yourself freely, and that’s incompatible with a fully open-door policy (no moderation). In the global north, people complaining about filter bubbles are really complaining about people escaping from the majority view, which is a feature not a bug.
But i agree with you that some places to meet/debate is very good. Nobody was born anarchist or queer, and only through debate and praxis can we evolve to become better versions of ourselves. Hell, i’ve met some right-wingers in my life who were much more left-wing than some communists (i said some)…
Because capitalism and other liberal ideologies are inherently exploitative.
There is https://wolfballs.com/ as a Lemmy instance that is more right-leaning and you are always free to host your own.
“Centrism” isn’t really a position one can have… what you mean is “in support of the status quo” which is IMHO also right leaning as it is inherently conservative.
The recent influx of Genzedong users definitely lowered the discussion quality here, but beyond those lemmygrad.ml users there is actually quite some ideological diversity in the Lemmyverse. Maybe consider signing up on an instance that does not federate with lemmygrad.ml 🤷
I think the anarchist community could be bigger but apart from that, if you block Lemmygrad you get a more or less diverse community in the left leaning spectre, I think what OP meant is they want more liberals.
“Centrism” isn’t really a position one can have… what you mean is “in support of the status quo” which is IMHO also right leaning as it is inherently conservative.
This is why we need more diversity of thought
its true?
