Does the instance a user is on (visible after their username) affect how they are perceived, either positively or negatively, by you or others?
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Instances over time coalesce into certain ideological stances, a curious aspect of federation it seems. This absolutely has an impact on interaction.
On the other hand, some have explicit ideological positions or themes (e.g. lemmygrad.ml, slrpnk.net) and others are shaped by moderation (.ml taking a hard stance against the sinophobia normal in mainatream media, .world and a few other instances/staff banning comments making light of violence e.g. luigi)
This accelerates that process, for sure! I am more talking about how long-term, users tend to form more similar views. If you join an instance and another better fits your views, users tend to jump ship.
Many Lemmy users are quick to judge users based on instances. Heck some of them are defederated.
I dont look at instance first or judge people from the instance. But if I see a super tankie take and then I see its .ml instance I am like yep figures.
I keep seeing so much stuff against .ml and I’m just like, I picked it because it was basically the only really active one when I first joined…
The honest majority of users on any instance seem to get drowned by the noisiest few
Lemmy platform is a commie social media, most have commie takes. The reactionaries just stand out
During kamala shill op on here, I had accounts have a melt down because I was on mbin… Not really sure why. As if being non Lemmy explained why I didn’t accept her appointment by DNC komisars
What
Personally I don’t notice it or care at all. People get way too bogged down in stuff like that, making presumptions or ascribing views to people. I’m here for funny and interesting shit, nothing else.
Yeah, some people really fucking hate .ml folks, and I’ve even heard people shit talk sh.itjust.works.
Also, hexbear was a thing.
They just hate we’re right all the time.
They hate us cuz they aint us 🤷
literally I just chose this instance because I like the seal, I hate tribalism I just wanted a cute seal 😭😭
Same, brother.
I chose it because shit never just works - and I’m a techie person.
Hexbear still is a thing, not sure what you’re referring to.
Hexbear.net doesn’t seem to exist anymore?
It redirects to chapo.chat, there are some domain shenanigans going on but the people are still there and actively posting.
They’re defederated on .world and probably some other lib instances. I moved to ml because I didn’t like the vibe on world, especially their rabid obsession with “tankies”
Yea but that was always the case.
Hexbear.net doesn’t seem to be registered anymore
I just did my own instance with blackjack, hookers and crack.
I think some users who use the fediverse a lot may judge on instance. I don’t really, except sometimes when I see a reactionary comment from .world and I’m like, “yeah that checks out”.
Yep. I don’t judge a comment before reading it, but there are a couple of instances where I will think “yeah, not surprised” after reading a reactionary or low-quality post.
To me, no. There are some who see .ml or dbzero and will act accordingly.
What is the stereotype about dbzero? Out of the loop on that.
We’re an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as sort-of-executive officer for the week, but all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting by a simple majority, in the case of purely internal affairs but by a two thirds majority, in the case of more major…
Hey! I thought I had it this week.
I wish that’s what it was
Usually techie and anarchist-adjacent, pro-piracy as well, generally anti-Marxist but usually more focused on being anti-Capitalist.
Full of pirates. Yar harr and ‘fuck you I will download a car you stupid DVD preamble.’
If you dont nail it down they’ll pirate it from you 🏴☠️
Why can’t the nails be pirated?
Are you kidding? The nails are also pirates!
yoho!
Mate!
Meh. There are so many instances that I don’t really judge someone by what instance they’re on; I judge someone based on what they do.
Preface to say I don’t necessarily hold these views, just my observation:
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.ml is considered “tankie”
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Blahaj.zone is shitposty and pretty solidly trans-friendly/oriented
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.world is “neutral,” and I think federated with most instances (I joined this one bc I was brand new here and it seemed beginner friendly, but I lean further left so ¯\(ツ)/¯ may instance hop in the future)
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Lemm.ee runs similar to .world but maybe slightly more right leaning
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Sh.it.justworks is predominantly techie
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Sopuli.xyz seems primarily meme-centric
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Feddit.org seems neutral-ish and more EU based, beyond that don’t know much
I’m sure there’s others I’m missing/stereotypes I’m wildly wrong about or not yet informed but that’s what I’ve gleaned so far.
Where did you get the impression that Lemm.ee is (more) right-leaning?
Lemm.ee does not really have a leaning (in the fediverse).Lemm.ee has awesome uptime, hands of moderation, up to date Lemmy, and doesn’t defedarate (we live in the glorious age of Lemmy 19 and not in the dark ages anymore; the user can block stuff).
It may be due to the “conservative” comm on the instance. I’m still learning, of course.
Both c/conservative on Lemm.ee and Lemmy.world are currently unmoderated (no community moderators).
The one community moderator on .ee got banned for some Nazi shit.
Now in both communities there is lots of love for trans people🏳️⚧️
That’s the first offensive stereotype I’ve heard of .ee.
I picked it because of uptime, version parity and least amount of federation drama.
Same.
haha are you saying “maybe slightly more right leaning” is an offensive stereotype?
Neutral is the more offensive stereotype :) just means you are a conservative LARPing at being liberal.
Like goddamnit there’s no way for me to be associated with anything with the r word
.world is “neutral,” and I think federated with most instances
Nah, .world is the right wing instance, and also pretty defed happy
People who think .ml is tankie aren’t federated with Lemmygrad or Hexbear
Other instances leaning even harder into being tankie doesn’t keep .ml from being tankie.
.ml is considered ‘Tankie’?? First I’ve heard of this, and I’ve yet to see anything that would give any kind of credence to that claim. How weird…
Remember, this is .world saying it.
OP, your answer is in this thread
.world considers .ml tankie and .world is not a neutral instance unless you never mention palestine. So it’s a lot like reddit.
This helps to know, thank you. Will probably migrate then as I’d like to not be associated with genocide.
genocide by which side
Lemmy.world has moderators that will remove your comments or ban you for talking about how the Democrats contribute to the genocide of Palestinians.
As I said, I don’t personally agree with it. That’s why it’s in quotes.
No, I understand that. I was just commenting on how weird it is that some people would take that position when there’s no evidence that I can see that it’s actually true. No worries, my friend! :)
While lemmy.ml isn’t explicitly tankie like lemmygrad.ml or hexbear.chat, the fact that it’s the instance run by the two OG Lemmy devs (who, along with most of the instance’s admins, are Marxist Leninists) means you tend to get tankie friendly moderation. Most infamously, sinophobia is cracked down on, so shitlibs can’t just go hog wild with stuff like Tinyman Square and “West Taiwan” and such.
I’d say blahaj users are somewhat biased against .ml users, as evidenced by the 196 banner:
Which is right in line with how historically both the Right and the Left have failed miserably at LGBTQ+ representation and rights.
The militant left of the past was still steeped in machismo and as such, in places like Cuba, being homosexual or transgender was punishable by law until the late 1990’s. The social ostracism runs deep when it is politically/legally enforced so long. It is finally changing for the better.
China is also the Left, and they have a similarly long history of denying LGBTQ+ rights, although to be fair they are slowly getting better in some ways.
It can make folks in the LGBTQ+ community feel like they’re political pawns on a chessboard, to be used and discarded at will because the leaders of the movements see them as useful but expendable.
Feeling like you’re expendable politically sucks, as does feeling like your just a pawn in someone else’s game. There’s a reason they called it “Rainbow Capitalism” when companies would hype Pride month and then forget about them the rest of the year.
For current evidence even more “liberal” companies are dropping anything and everything to do with LGBTQ+ rights and representation. Google was definitely seen as a forward-thinking progressive company for a long time, and they’ve already dropped Pride Month from Google Calendar. They have plenty of LGBTQ+ employees, and they’re happy to throw them under the bus.
All this makes it very hard for many people in the LGBTQ+ community to trust either side politically. There is a general acceptance that the Left does it better, though, and is at least trying to become better at how it handles these issues. The libertarian Right has come to a small level of acceptance under the guise of “if it doesn’t hurt anyone else, it shouldn’t be an issue” but I’d say that’s still the minority of libertarians who truly believe that. Most libertarians are just conservatives cosplaying at having independent thought.
However, while I personally would like to say the Left is slowly getting better at this, it’s still taking far too long. People’s lives are being wasted waiting for people to respect their rights.
Do you think that Wikipedia is going to be unbiased on a country that has been the USA’s enemy and under perpetual blockade and embargo for 70 years?
If I might suggest an alternative resource for any reader interested, Leslie Feinberg wrote a book which is free, called Rainbow Solidary : In Defense of Cuba. It is free to read as PDF here https://www.workers.org/wp-content/uploads/LavenderRed_Cubabook.pdf. It was hir last book before hir premature death. Zie was LGBT activist who also wrote Stone Butch Blues, Transgender Warriors and Trans Liberation : Beyond Pink and Blue.
It is a nuanced book, which covers the history of Cuba’s LGBT community pre-colonization, under Spanish colonization, under US control after the Spanish-American War and the two dictatorships of the early to mid 20th century, moving into the communist regime into the 00s.
It covers the bad, machismo culture and the UMAP camps, slide back on rights at certain times, but it also quite clearly outlines the historical progress they made on LBGT rights, often ahead of the rest of the world. You say they were arresting trans people in the 80s-90s, when they were literally flying their doctors to East Germany to learn how to do state funded gender affirming surgery at that time.
It’s a worthwhile read. Cuba is not and wasn’t ever perfect, but the communist party and the LGBT community in dialectical relationship with one and another have shaped a course that is historically progressive and inspirational.
That’s completely valid. Thank you for sharing; like I said I’m still relatively new so hearing insight from more established users helps a lot. You’d think the natural association would be basic fucking human rights = common sense leftism but that is unfortunately not the case for established leftist governments at the minimum. (Spoken as someone who, to my knowledge, aligns leftist/anarchist)
We have to have each others’ backs because “allyship” is a finicky bitch.
It’s also an imperfect view, as @Echidna@lemmy.blahaj.zone said Cuba now has some of the best LGBT rights in the world. Social progress is very commonly accelerated in AES countries compared to Capitalist countries because society is oriented in a more cooperative manner. We can see this happen in real time in China, where the youth are far more socially progressive and perspective on LGBT issues is stratified more by generation than anything else. There’s a long way to go, but progress is happening.
I do wonder what you mean by you aligning leftist/anarchist “to your knowledge,” haha.
I’ll have to do more reading then; thank you for sharing as well. It’s awesome to learn that Cuba’s gotten more progressive on LGBTQ issues. I wonder if the user I responded to is from the US since it’s been pretty bad here and we don’t have an established left party, so our “left” is a right wing donor class that pretends to maintain the status quo about 85% of the time.
I say to my knowledge since while I do identify as anarchist and believe healthcare, food, and shelter are bare minimum rights I understand as a human I always have more to learn and will never possess the breadth/depth of the entirety of anarchist/leftist ideology. I may currently hold blind spots and as such will need to learn and adjust in the future.
Yep, Cuba’s journey with respect to social development is very admirable, their most recent Family Code is more LGBTQ friendly than the US. The PRC has further to go, but the CPC itself is more LGBTQ neutral, so there’s good reason to believe the improving trends over time as generations change will improve legislation.
As for Anarchism/Leftism, I think that’s more than sufficient to consider yourself one full-stop, no “to my knowledge” needed. I myself have a long way to go as a Marxist-Leninist, but reading theory has been tremendously clarifying for me and my journey. I know you consider yourself an Anarchist, but if you want recommendations on Marxism-Leninism I made an intro reading list (linked on my profile). I think it’s generally useful for Leftists of all stripes to engage with the ideas of other predominant Leftist ideologies.
Hope and action go hand and hand, and it sounds like younger generations in those countries understand that well.
That’s a valid point; the literal definition of anarchy itself is the absence/abolition of hierarchies so that is pretty easily covered in identification. I’ll check it out, thank you! I’m a firm believer in leftist unity as we have the common overarching goal of equitable rights and QoL for all people.
Yep, agreed! Even if the means and ends are different between Marxism and Anarchism, the fundamental obstacle is still Imperialism and Capitalism, and the goal is still focused on the people, not those with Capital.
Feel free to shoot any questions my way!
historically
Right now Cuba has the most equal LGBT rights in the world.
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Yes. They literally make memes about instances they despise and how they won’t take anyone from those instances seriously.
I don’t actively discriminate based on a poster’s instance, but there are a half dozen or so instances where there is a very high likelihood that they lean one way or another on different topics. If a post that could be read two ways then their instance can be a pretty reliable indicator that looking at their posting history will confirm which way they lean.
In a couple of cases I just blocked the communities that are the hot button issues for that instance because other communities are worth reading and interacting with.
I’m agreeing with all the people who say they don’t notice until after they’ve read a post, but I wanted to add a Yo ho! to my comment.
Somewhat. If a .ml user says something kinda sus you’ll get “of course this tankie shit is from an .ml user,” and the .ml users (and other tankies) hate .world and sjw for being “liberal nazis.” .ml also has many non-tankie users as an ostensibly “general” instance, so it really depends, you kinda have to sus em out, but the admins and mods will ban you for talking bad about the russian and chinese governments and openly simp for stalin, so the sane users there often get banned or avoid upsetting the
FSBadmins.Hexbear and .grad users are almost universally annoying shitheads you want to avoid, they center their identities around being insufferable so it’s funny they don’t like when you say it, but it’s true. Cue DVs from angry .ml and hexbear users, grad can’t see me though since we’re defederated, but they’ll get me with their .ml alts lmao.
Db0 are mostly pirates and anarchists, they vary more but mostly cool. .ee seems cool, and then there’s the germans and the Uks and stuff. Basically everyone but .ml, hex, grad, .world, and sjw just “are.”
OH but beehaw is overly cautious about niceties, and blahaj will defend drag (the person), not that there’s anything wrong with that, it’s just the way they do business. Ok I think that about covers it.
